What will the polling miss be for the 2024 US Presidential Election?
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0.3%
>R+5
0.3%
R+4 to R+4.9
0.4%
R+3 to R+3.9
0.5%
R+2 to R+2.9
0.4%
R+1 to R+1.9
0.6%
Polls correct +/-0.9%
0.4%
D+1 to D+1.9
95%
D+2 to D+2.9
0.8%
D+3 to D+3.9
0.6%
D+4 to D+4.9
0.4%
>D+5

What will the difference be between the national popular vote, and Nate Silver's polling average, for the 2024 US Presidential Election - in other words, what is the polling miss for the year?

The miss will be expressed as the poll bias: for example, if the national popular vote is D+2, and the polling average is D+5, this will resolve to a D+3 miss.

Given the long tail of mail in and corrected ballots, I intend on resolving this one month after the election - though if there is a major legal fight over ballots I might resolve it at the time of inauguration, or if the answer is not close to changing brackets (e.g. <0.1% of votes expected to change) I may create a poll to resolve the market early.

The polling average used will be the final pre-election average found here: https://www.natesilver.net/p/nate-silver-2024-president-election-polls-model

The national popular vote will be aggregated from various state Secretary of State releases, and is usually identical between all major data providers. (A single source could be provided later if this is a sticking point for anyone, but I haven't seen substantial disagreements.)

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bought Ṁ1,000 YES

FYI the current national popular vote is R+1.7 which would be a D+2.7 miss. I bought it up to 90% but others can decide if they want to push it higher. A tiny number of votes are still being counted 🤷🏻‍♂️

bought Ṁ750 YES

Currently D+2.6 miss. I think it’s highly unlikely to move even 0.2% further. I bid this up to 95% now.

I feel slightly weird betting a ton on a market I control, but hopefully I’ve been forthright about where things stand and it’s pretty easy to externally verify and anyone else could be closing this to 99% if they wanted to…

Nate Silver's final election model has been run, and the national vote polling average says D+1, which is what this question will resolve against.

One interesting note is that state polls are better for Harris than the national polls are. Nate's model, not the calculated polling average, thinks the bottom up analysis would put Harris at D+2.1!

Election tomorrow! Get your bets in!

It is bonkers that this market is trading D+2, while the main market tracks Nate Silver who is assuming unbiased polls

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/05/04/why-election-polls-were-wrong-in-2016-and-2020-and-whats-changing.html

““Some people will start a poll, they’ll tell you who they’re going to vote for and then they say, ‘I’m done. I don’t want to talk to you anymore. Goodbye,’” Don Levy, director of the Siena College Research Institute, which helps conduct polls for the New York Times, told CNBC. “In 2020 and 2022, we didn’t count those people.”

But this time around, Levy says they are counting the “drop-offs.”

They found that if they had counted those impatient respondents in 2020 and 2022, their poll results would have moved “about a point and a quarter in the Trump direction,” Levy said, eliminating roughly 40% of their error.”

Nate Silver weighs in directly on the polling miss question: https://www.natesilver.net/p/sbsq-12-will-the-polls-lowball-trump

Here was 538’s polling miss figure calculated in 2022, you can see the presidential polling miss in recent elections in the left-most column.

bought Ṁ50 NO

I tried to do a quick search if one already existed before making this market, but my initial pass missed a similar but not identical market (using RCP’s polling average, which I am not a fan of, and different brackets): https://manifold.markets/Weezing/what-will-be-the-polling-error-in-2

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